Bobby! Amend that to say, "....on the same level as yourself!"
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Mr George Okello,Help me out here.We have a confession by Janan Luwum corroborated by evidence of an arms cache found at his residence.Allow me to offer you the same advice you gave to me."Please don't let your biases colour your judgement because here you look like a fool on the same level as Edward Mulindwa'"
Where do we go from here sir?On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:08 AM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:
Bobby Musoke,I am so shocked that you would give any credibility to a public "confession" made before the international media. Really, Bobby Musoke, you surely know better than this. You don't even need a child to tell you such a confession is totally worthless. In fact such "confessions", are regarded as crimes against humanity in international law as often they are obtained by means of torture, duress and coercion. Parading a person before the media and asking them to "confess" is a serious criminal offence, even in national law, and evedence of such confession is not admissible in any criminal trial. Even a first year law student would tell you this.I will not go deeply into the law of evidence used in criminal trials, but any lawyer will tell you that Confession evidence is the most unreliable evidence of all categories of evidence and is treated with extreme caution by courts. In fact confession evidence on its own can not lead to a conviction, unless it is corroborated by other evidence and in a majority of cases, confession evidence is not admitted at all as courts simply throw them out as being unreliable and worthless.Bobby Musoke, it is obvious you have not used even simple common sense if you give even the slightest credence to a "confession" made in public, by a public figure under arrest, showing visible signs of torture, who has not been given access to a lawyer. Please don't let your biases colour your judgement because here you look like a fool on the same level as Edward Mulindwa.George Okello
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Rajab Ali <raj62ali@gmail.com> wrote:
By the International media?? Ndugu Ocen; you are raising the bar a little too high!
Sent from my iPhoneMr Rajab Ali,Over to you.Can you respond to Moses Ocen's question.
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Ocen Nekyon <ocennekyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Musoke;Please show me a recording or an article written by the "International media," during that sad saga showing the Late Archbishop "confessing."OcenSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
Mr Moses Ocen,How do you respond to the allegation by Amin's son that Janan Luwum confessed to being involved in a plot to overthrow the Govt in 1977 at Nile Mansion gardens in the presence of international media?
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Ocen Nekyon <ocennekyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Musoke;I am going to say this again; Archbishop Luwum was framed by the State for the simple reason he had written a letter chastising Idi Amin over human Rights violations.No one at the time had the guts to do such a thing. So does it make any logic sense to challenge the state and then hide arms in ones residence?OcdnSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
Mr Moses Ocen,
Nobody disputes the fact that a cache of arms was found at Janan Luwum's house at Namirembe hill .This has been confirmed by multiple sources.What I would like you to pay attention to is the allegation that Janan Luwum confessed to being involved in a plot to overthrow Amins govt at Nile mansions garden in the presence of International media in 1977.How do you respond sir?
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Ocen Nekyon <ocennekyon@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Musoke;If you believe that a cache of arms were found at the late Archbishop's residence, you will also believe the "theory" that he(Archbishop) also fought the driver which caused the accident that killed everyone except the driver.This is in lieu of the fact that Archbishop had been shot in the mouth.OcenSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
Mr George Okello,Amins son who is a member of this forum contends that Janana Luwum confessed to being part of this plot at Nile Mansions in the presence of international media.Admittedly both you and Amin's' have vested interests in believing either side of this allegation.I have relatives who live on Namirembe hill since 1977 and they confirm a cache of arms was indeed found at Janan Luwums house at Namirembe.Who is fooling who here?
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:
Edward Mulindwa,
Please desist from upsetting people's feelings by glorifying some of
the evil deeds of Idi Amin. You do yourself no favours at all by
making such an idiotic statement as the one you have made about the
late Archbishop Luwum. You made the same idiotic about Nelson Mandela,
when he was (and in fact still is) gravely ill in hospital. You may
worship Idi Amin, that is your right, but keep it to yourself. Unlike
you, most Ugandans will remember and respect the contributions made by
heroes like Archbishop Luwum and Nelson Mandela , however much to want
to re-write history. Idi Amin was a monster and Edward Mulindwa, you
will never succeed in rehabilitating him. Instead you make yourself
look like a clown, as a silly old man. No respectful person enjoys
being a figure of fun, which you have now firmly become. You are a
person no one takes seriously. You are there simply to be laughed at
even though you don't seem to see it.
George Okello.
On 11/16/13, Hannah Ogwapiti <hannahogwapiti@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This was in Mucwini where Arch Bishop Janani Luwum is buried
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>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Rehema Uganda
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>> Janani Luwum was born in Uganda in 1922, and his ability meant that he
>> moved on quickly from being a goatherd as a youth to teaching and then
>> ordination. He became Bishop of Northern Uganda in 1969 and Archbishop of
>> Uganda in 1974.
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>> Idi Amin was by then in power in Uganda and was criticised by the bishops
>> for the deadly violence of his regime. Shortly afterwards Janani and two
>> of
>> Amin's own government ministers were arrested and then found dead
>> "following a car accident", but it soon emerged quickly that they had in
>> fact died on the implicit instructions of the President, possibly even at
>> his own hands
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>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Rehema Uganda>>> 2.Archbishop Janani Jakaliya Luwum
>> <rehemass@googlemail.com>wrote:
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>>> 1.Archbishop Joseph Nakabaale Kiwanuka
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>>> 3.Rev Florence Njangali
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>>> 4.Charles Lwanga baptizing Kizito
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