Re: {UAH} NOW, WHO IS THE WAR-MONGER? Uganda warns that M23 Congo rebels could regroup

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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 5:34 PM AST (Arabian) Allan wrote:



>Nuwe,

>

>Problem is blame is placed in the wrong place.

>The Kavuyo in DRC is as old as when it presumably became independent!

>War in this tropical part of Africa is far far from over.

>Like I said wait for Q24 next year!

>And probably from it flies UA 14 to Rwakitura!

>

>

>On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:19 PM, nuwwahereza fardson kairanga <

>fanfardson@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>> *Allan,*

>> *The Tel aviv and Beirut, etc,are details I always refrain myself from

>> discussing on the forum, here most colleagues, look at Makenga, M23, DRC,

>> Uganda and Rwanda!*

>> *So brother restrict yourself to the perimeters of the game!*

>>

>> *From:* Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com>

>> *To:* U-A-H <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 November 2013, 20:23

>> *Subject:* Re: {UAH} NOW, WHO IS THE WAR-MONGER? Uganda warns that M23

>> Congo rebels could regroup

>>

>> *"The involvement of Western powers in the assassination is another

>> possibility. Many African leaders indulge in a rhetorical denunciation of

>> "imperialism" to divert attention away from their own involvement in the

>> export of their country's wealth to the West, and Kabila was no exception.

>> But the DRC leader had upset his US backers, who had brought him to power

>> with military backing from Uganda and Rwanda, by reneging on deals to sell

>> off mining concessions as well as by refusing to accept IMF proposals to

>> pay off the country's huge debts incurred under Mobutu. After breaking with

>> Uganda and Rwanda in 1998 Kabila gained the backing of Angola and Zimbabwe

>> who wanted to extend their regional power. Another major factor in their

>> support was the lucrative business deals concluded with Kabila, including

>> an attempt to sell off Congo's diamond producing complex to an Israeli

>> firm, and trying to float a copper and cobalt mining operation on the

>> London Stock exchange."*

>>

>> *Source: **http://www.wsws.org/ <http://www.wsws.org/>*

>>

>>

>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> GOPO,

>>

>> There is a tiny office in Tel Aviv, another in Beirut. By the way, there

>> are others in Brussels , Chicago and somewhere in London.

>> If you follow blood trails you would end up somewhere there.

>> These other fellows are mere conduits.

>> Unfortunately for DRC it is Le meilleur habitat pour un guerrila .

>> And guess what ,right in the middle of wealth ,Eastern Congo.

>> Remember when Kabila senior was plucked from some bar drinking mwenge

>> bigere to head the anti Waza Banga forces, in 1996, he was taken to Goma

>> where he signed the 1st deal : $ 30 million, well before he was in Gov't.

>> Rwanda and Uganda issued users end certificates at the request of the

>> Yankees.

>> Talk about guilty as charged; the guilty ones are these white folks

>> causing all the chaos.

>> So if you think M23 is finished waited for Q23.

>>

>>

>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:28 AM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> Allan Barigye/EM,

>>

>> Have a look at what I just posted. It seems to me incredible that the

>> DR Congo delegation should be asked to sign an agreement with M23 when

>> both Uganda and Rwanda are there around the table. This is very

>> strange. So here we have a situation where I beat up your son who you

>> have sent to sneak into my house at night and when caught, you want me

>> to negotiate with your son and not yourself, when you are actually

>> physically present at the negotiations. If threatened with

>> imprisonment, you still refuse to stand surety for your him!!!

>>

>> You remind me of the murder trial in the USA where a black man shot

>> down people randomly on the streets and when caught and taken to

>> court, he decided to defend himself. And his cross-examination of a

>> witness went as follows:

>> Man: Can you describe what happened at the petrol station where you

>> said you were shot?

>> Woman: I saw you get out of a car, pull a gun and shoot at me.

>> Man: Can you describe the accused person; what did he look like and

>> what was he wearing?

>> Woman: It was You. He did not look like any one else. It was you.

>> Man: Now did the accused speak to you, did he utter any word to you?

>> Woman: No you did not speak to me.

>> Man: Now my next question is......

>> Woman: Stop this nonsense of "accused" and so on. It is you. Use you

>> name or use "I" or "Me".

>>

>> George Okello

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 11/12/13, Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > Mulindwa,

>> >

>> > There is your answer

>> >

>> >

>> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gwokto La'Kitgum

>> > <lakitgum@gmail.com>wrote:

>> >

>> > Uganda warns that M23 Congo rebels could regroup

>> >

>> >

>> > By RODNEY MUHUMUZA, Associated Press

>> >

>> > KAMPALA, UGANDA — A Congolese rebel group whose fighters retreated into

>> > Uganda after being hammered by U.N.-backed Congolese government forces

>> > "can

>> > still regroup," a Ugandan government spokesman said Tuesday.

>> >

>> > The warning came after Congolese government officials delayed signing a

>> > peace accord with the insurgents. The ceremony planned for Monday

>> evening

>> > was postponed after Congolese officials asked for more time to review

>> the

>> > final document.

>> >

>> > Ugandan officials with knowledge of the negotiations reported a

>> breakdown

>> > of trust between Ugandan mediators and Congolese officials. Some members

>> > of

>> > Uganda's military have supported the Congolese M23 rebels and the

>> Rwandan

>> > government has provided even greater backing, according to a United

>> > Nations

>> > group of experts.

>> >

>> > In negotiations convened after the rebels appeared to be losing the

>> > fight,

>> > the Congolese delegation said they could no longer hold face-to-face

>> > meetings with M23's civilian leaders, said the Ugandan government

>> > spokesman, Ofwono Opondo.

>> >

>> > "They don't want to be seen to be equal to M23," Opondo said.

>> >

>> > Uganda's deputy foreign minister, Okello Oryem, told reporters late

>> > Monday

>> > that Congo's government was not comfortable with the idea of a "peace

>> > agreement" with M23, saying it instead wanted a "declaration" that M23

>> is

>> > a

>> > vanquished "negative force."

>> >

>> > Another apparent sticking point is the fate of the M23 military

>> commander

>> > who recently fled with at least 1,665 of his fighters to Uganda amid a

>> > heightened offensive by Congolese government troops in neighboring

>> > eastern

>> > Congo. The U.N. has imposed a travel ban and assets freeze on Sultani

>> > Makenga, a former Congolese army colonel, for "serious violations of

>> > international law involving the targeting of women and children" as

>> > leader

>> > of M23. Congolese government officials want to see Makenga tried for his

>> > alleged crimes.

>> >

>> > Opondo said Makenga "is not a prisoner" in Uganda and may only be handed

>> > over to Congolese authorities after a final peace accord has been

>> signed.

>> >

>> > U.S. special envoy Russ Feingold urged the parties to ensure that those

>> > who have committed war crimes, crimes of genocide and crimes against

>> > humanity will be held accountable. Feingold told The Associated Press on

>> > Monday that the peace deal offers no amnesty for rebels accused of

>> > committing serious crimes and no automatic reintegration of the rebels

>> > into

>> > the national army. Ugandan officials confirmed that the rebel delegation

>> > had accepted these conditions.

>> >

>> > The Congolese government delegation to the Uganda talks is led by

>> Foreign

>> > Minister Raymond Tshibanda. It was not possible to get his comment.

>> >

>> > Makenga, 39, emerged as M23's top commander earlier this year following

>> a

>> > violent split within the rebel ranks that saw the ouster of Congolese

>> > warlord Bosco Ntaganda, who then fled to Rwanda before handing himself

>> > over

>> > to the International Criminal Court. Hundreds of M23 rebels allied with

>> > Ntaganda also fled to Rwanda at the time.

>> >

>> > M23 launched its rebellion in April 2012, becoming the latest

>> > reincarnation of a Tutsi rebel group dissatisfied with the Congolese

>> > government. The rebels accused Congo's government of failing to honor

>> all

>> > the terms of a peace deal signed in March 2009 with M23's precursor

>> > group,

>> > the CNDP.

>> >

>> > At their peak the M23 rebels overtook Goma, a provincial capital in

>> > Congo.

>> > But in the past year they had been weakened by internal divisions and

>> > waning Rwandan support. The Congolese military capitalized on these

>> rebel

>> > setbacks by pushing ahead with new offensives beginning in August that

>> > were

>> > supported by a brigade of U.N. military forces with a mandate to attack

>> > the

>> > rebels.

>> > Copyright 2013 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This

>> > material

>> > may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

>> > ___________________________________

>> > *Gwokto La'Kitgum*

>> > *"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower*

>> >

>> >

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>> > **A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using

>> > the experience and wisdom to give the best of him/herself.*

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>> > * We must dare invent the future!*

>> > *The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by** individuals,

>> > the military or oth**erwise, is to put the people in charge* - *Capt.

>> > Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987*

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>> >

>> > **"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent*

>> >

>> > *revolution inevitable"***… ****J.F Kennedy*

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>> **A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using

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>> * We must dare invent the future!*

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>> *The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by*

>> * individuals, the military or oth**erwise, is to put the people in

>> charge* - *Capt. Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987*

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>> **"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent*

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>> *revolution inevitable"***… ****J.F Kennedy*

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>> **A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using

>> the experience and wisdom to give the best of him/herself.*

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>> * We must dare invent the future!*

>> *The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by** individuals,

>> the military or oth**erwise, is to put the people in charge* - *Capt.

>> Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987*

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>> **"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent*

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>> *revolution inevitable"***… ****J.F Kennedy*

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>**A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using

>the experience and wisdom to give the best of him/herself.*

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>* We must dare invent the future!*

>*The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by** individuals,

>the military or oth**erwise, is to put the people in charge* - *Capt.

>Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987*

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> **"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent*

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>*revolution inevitable"***… ****J.F Kennedy*