Re: {UAH} NOW, WHO IS THE WAR-MONGER? Uganda warns that M23 Congo rebels could regroup

Nuwe,

Problem is blame is placed in the wrong place.

The Kavuyo in DRC is as old as when it presumably became independent!

War in this tropical part of Africa is far far from over.

Like I said wait for Q24 next year!

And probably from it flies UA 14 to Rwakitura!

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:19 PM, nuwwahereza fardson kairanga <fanfardson@yahoo.com> wrote:

Allan,

The Tel aviv and Beirut, etc,are details I always refrain myself from discussing on the forum, here most colleagues, look at Makenga, M23, DRC, Uganda and Rwanda!

So brother restrict yourself to the perimeters of the game!

From: Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com>
To: U-A-H <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2013, 20:23
Subject: Re: {UAH} NOW, WHO IS THE WAR-MONGER? Uganda warns that M23 Congo rebels could regroup

"The involvement of Western powers in the assassination is another possibility. Many African leaders indulge in a rhetorical denunciation of "imperialism" to divert attention away from their own involvement in the export of their country's wealth to the West, and Kabila was no exception. But the DRC leader had upset his US backers, who had brought him to power with military backing from Uganda and Rwanda, by reneging on deals to sell off mining concessions as well as by refusing to accept IMF proposals to pay off the country's huge debts incurred under Mobutu. After breaking with Uganda and Rwanda in 1998 Kabila gained the backing of Angola and Zimbabwe who wanted to extend their regional power. Another major factor in their support was the lucrative business deals concluded with Kabila, including an attempt to sell off Congo's diamond producing complex to an Israeli firm, and trying to float a copper and cobalt mining operation on the London Stock exchange."

Source:  http://www.wsws.org/

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com> wrote:

GOPO,

There is a tiny office in Tel Aviv, another in Beirut. By the way, there are others in Brussels , Chicago and somewhere in London.

If you follow blood trails you would end up somewhere there.

These other fellows are mere conduits.

Unfortunately for DRC it is Le meilleur habitat pour un guerrila .

And guess what ,right in the middle of wealth ,Eastern Congo.

Remember when Kabila senior was plucked from some bar drinking mwenge bigere to head the anti Waza Banga forces, in 1996, he was taken to Goma where he signed the 1st deal : $ 30 million, well before he was in Gov't. Rwanda and Uganda issued users end certificates at the request of the Yankees.

Talk about guilty as charged; the guilty ones are these white folks causing all the chaos.

So if you think M23 is finished waited for Q23.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:28 AM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:

Allan Barigye/EM,

Have a look at what I just posted. It seems to me incredible that the
DR Congo delegation should be asked to sign an agreement with M23 when
both Uganda and Rwanda are there around the  table. This is very
strange. So here we have a situation where I  beat up your son who you
have sent to sneak into my house at night and when caught, you want me
to negotiate with your son and not yourself, when you are actually
physically present at the negotiations. If threatened with
imprisonment, you still refuse to stand surety for your him!!!

You remind me of the murder trial in the USA where a black man shot
down people randomly on the streets and when caught and taken to
court, he decided to defend himself. And his cross-examination of a
witness went as follows:
Man: Can you describe what happened at the petrol station where you
said you were shot?
Woman: I saw you get out of a car, pull a gun and shoot at me.
Man: Can you describe the accused person; what did he look like and
what was he wearing?
Woman: It was You. He did not look like any one else. It was you.
Man: Now did the accused speak to you, did he utter any word to you?
Woman: No you did not speak to me.
Man: Now my next question is......
Woman: Stop this nonsense of "accused" and so on. It is you. Use you
name or use "I" or "Me".

George Okello

On 11/12/13, Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mulindwa,
>
> There is your answer
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Gwokto La'Kitgum
> <lakitgum@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Uganda warns that M23 Congo rebels could regroup
>>
>>
>> By RODNEY MUHUMUZA, Associated Press
>>
>> KAMPALA, UGANDA — A Congolese rebel group whose fighters retreated into
>> Uganda after being hammered by U.N.-backed Congolese government forces
>> "can
>> still regroup," a Ugandan government spokesman said Tuesday.
>>
>> The warning came after Congolese government officials delayed signing a
>> peace accord with the insurgents. The ceremony planned for Monday evening
>> was postponed after Congolese officials asked for more time to review the
>> final document.
>>
>> Ugandan officials with knowledge of the negotiations reported a breakdown
>> of trust between Ugandan mediators and Congolese officials. Some members
>> of
>> Uganda's military have supported the Congolese M23 rebels and the Rwandan
>> government has provided even greater backing, according to a United
>> Nations
>> group of experts.
>>
>> In negotiations convened after the rebels appeared to be losing the
>> fight,
>> the Congolese delegation said they could no longer hold face-to-face
>> meetings with M23's civilian leaders, said the Ugandan government
>> spokesman, Ofwono Opondo.
>>
>> "They don't want to be seen to be equal to M23," Opondo said.
>>
>> Uganda's deputy foreign minister, Okello Oryem, told reporters late
>> Monday
>> that Congo's government was not comfortable with the idea of a "peace
>> agreement" with M23, saying it instead wanted a "declaration" that M23 is
>> a
>> vanquished "negative force."
>>
>> Another apparent sticking point is the fate of the M23 military commander
>> who recently fled with at least 1,665 of his fighters to Uganda amid a
>> heightened offensive by Congolese government troops in neighboring
>> eastern
>> Congo. The U.N. has imposed a travel ban and assets freeze on Sultani
>> Makenga, a former Congolese army colonel, for "serious violations of
>> international law involving the targeting of women and children" as
>> leader
>> of M23. Congolese government officials want to see Makenga tried for his
>> alleged crimes.
>>
>> Opondo said Makenga "is not a prisoner" in Uganda and may only be handed
>> over to Congolese authorities after a final peace accord has been signed.
>>
>> U.S. special envoy Russ Feingold urged the parties to ensure that those
>> who have committed war crimes, crimes of genocide and crimes against
>> humanity will be held accountable. Feingold told The Associated Press on
>> Monday that the peace deal offers no amnesty for rebels accused of
>> committing serious crimes and no automatic reintegration of the rebels
>> into
>> the national army. Ugandan officials confirmed that the rebel delegation
>> had accepted these conditions.
>>
>> The Congolese government delegation to the Uganda talks is led by Foreign
>> Minister Raymond Tshibanda. It was not possible to get his comment.
>>
>> Makenga, 39, emerged as M23's top commander earlier this year following a
>> violent split within the rebel ranks that saw the ouster of Congolese
>> warlord Bosco Ntaganda, who then fled to Rwanda before handing himself
>> over
>> to the International Criminal Court. Hundreds of M23 rebels allied with
>> Ntaganda also fled to Rwanda at the time.
>>
>> M23 launched its rebellion in April 2012, becoming the latest
>> reincarnation of a Tutsi rebel group dissatisfied with the Congolese
>> government. The rebels accused Congo's government of failing to honor all
>> the terms of a peace deal signed in March 2009 with M23's precursor
>> group,
>> the CNDP.
>>
>> At their peak the M23 rebels overtook Goma, a provincial capital in
>> Congo.
>> But in the past year they had been weakened by internal divisions and
>> waning Rwandan support. The Congolese military capitalized on these rebel
>> setbacks by pushing ahead with new offensives beginning in August that
>> were
>> supported by a brigade of U.N. military forces with a mandate to attack
>> the
>> rebels.
>> Copyright 2013 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
>> material
>> may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
>> ___________________________________

>> *Gwokto La'Kitgum*
>> *"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower*
>>
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 We must dare invent the future!

The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by

 individuals, the military or otherwise, is to put the people in charge  - Capt. Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987

 *"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent

revolution inevitable"**…  *J.F Kennedy

 

--

*A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using the experience and wisdom to give the best of him/herself.

 

 We must dare invent the future!
The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by
 individuals, the military or otherwise, is to put the people in charge  - Capt. Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987

 *"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent

revolution inevitable"**…  *J.F Kennedy

 

--

*A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using the experience and wisdom to give the best of him/herself.

 

 We must dare invent the future!
The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by
 individuals, the military or otherwise, is to put the people in charge  - Capt. Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987

 *"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent

revolution inevitable"**…  *J.F Kennedy