jim, l am vin Kuwait but Tamale Mirundi and many State House people are members here, theyt should help
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:42 PM, jim muwanga <muwangajim@gmail.com> wrote:
HajiCan you post here how moneys are budgeted for and distributed to districtsor can someone in State house please post here.Some one at state house or Ministry of Finance is not doing their PR duty i.e. people here like Aliga want to know.On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM, jim muwanga <muwangajim@gmail.com> wrote:
GeorgeI am not a lawyer. but I strongly recommend that you read the case John Matovu won when he represented veterans (all regimes veterans) i.e. their terminal benefits.I believe people/villagers/peasants can take GOVT ministries and technocrats to court!And George and Aliga stop whining (in the dark) get your pen out and argue with your schools mates (in Court).Otherwise more money will disappear.You have 4 law degrees ...lets see the technical (law) metal you are made of .On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Aliga Charles <charly3850@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jim Mwanga,ANC did not come to power by the use of gun. It won election free and fairly. NRA/M of M7 did not since its inception. So, what works under ANC cannot be a yard stick to measure whether the people of Acholi can go to court or not under NRA/M. Also, read the name of the man who worn the so called veterans or terminal benefits case. The issue is also different from service delivery by the government.The challenges we have is, the government in place have let down ugandans since it come to power. Government is to deliver to her people no matter what. Just during the week end I watch CNN where they were showing a hospital in Tanzania, its like Tanzania is not in Africa, yet they also got independent the same way uganda did. Ugandans pay taxes, and expect their government to deliver. Some of you should stop to turn a blind eye to what hapens in uganda today.Jim, see reallity, don't just write because may be you are benefitting from the regime. Ordinary ugandans deservebetter than what they have now.Finally, to prove whether Acholi elders take the government to court or not, is to see how Lord Mayor of Kampala isgoing to wind his present situation. Stop being blind, tomorrow it will be your turn to suffer, which is not a good precedence. We need to have the chance to change our leader and government after every five or ten years withoutfear or intimidation. We need a goverment that is accountable. A father that failed to deliver to his children allwayslet them down. Their children end up being a problem to the community, that is what is happening in uganda now.
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:43:35 +0200From: muwangajim@gmail.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Robert Atuhaire, Haji Kats and RehemaCan you post the procedures for remitting funds from central GOvt Treasury to Districts?Aliga the story I read is about the ANC Govt. infact there is another court case brewing and again the Govt officials might go to jail if they do not deliver. I will try and find the article.Aliga may we please stick to resolving the challenges i.e. delivery.Yes There was a court case i.e. The GOvt vs veterans .i.e. for the terminal benefits. since 1962 /63 i think. John Matovu won the case
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:
I will catch up with this debate later.
George Okello
> If you cannot get rid of M7, then, stop wasting peoples time. How are you
> going to install your Federal government when the Empero is still in power?
> Are you not the one wanting him to stay?
> Its quite meaningless talking about Federalism when you know very well, the
> man in power will not allow. M7 has been in power all this long due to
> people like you who think that, vote can get rid of him. In 2016, unless
> opposition parties are united under one unbrella, those going individually
> are just looking for their pockets. Not that, M7 and his NRM/A is strong but
> he has the money and power. All EC members are in his pockent. All the
> Police in uganda are his (NRA Police), not uganda police. All judges are his
> NRM carders. How are you going to win all this. 27 years, you still believe,
> Federalism can come? Get the regime out, then talk to ugandans about
> Federalism. Short of that, for get about Federalism stepping in state house.
>
> The moment M7 succeed in getring rid of Lord Mayor of Kampala (Lukwago), he
> will use the KCCA boss (Musis) as he has started doing to woo
> Kampala/Buganda people by doing some "Kwara kwara" development in the City.
> After that, the peasants you talk about in Kampala will turn against you and
> M7 will implement his Kaguta dynasty which will rule you forever in the name
> of (Pakalas). Don't say I did not warn you.> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 06:25:48 +0000> You are really given it a shot.Don't give up though!M7 has really screwed us
> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
> From: akimodong@gmail.com
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
>
> Allan;
> The likes of Mulindwa, George and Aliga still wants M7 to continue screwing
> the country despite his waning strength. The hardcore argument in favour of
> federalism is to reduce potency of the president so that he cannot go
> countrywide and screw up , just like Obama cannot go to California and undo
> his zip.
> Every state under federalism will have its jurisdiction and powers of
> authority which power will be chopped from the presidency. Allan like money,
> power is finite, if equitable distributed or balanced for that matter, no
> single person will have the sort of authority or power M7 currently enjoys.
> The immediate effect will be the eradication of dictatorship by a single
> person, the eradication of kraaling arounding the presidency, the
> involvement of citizens as stakeholders and not subjects, the fostering of
> unity and trust among people, the preservation of common good in given areas
> or sate etc. At the moment, the power festering at the statehouse is
> responsible for all the mayhem. Federalism will end all that at a stroke!
>
> Akim
>
>
> Akim
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Allan <barigye.rugos@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Akim,
> up!
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:20 PM, akim odong <akimodong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> George;
> No nobody said federalism is the elixir of good governance, but it is
> preferred to the unitary system that has caused us mayhem.
>
> By the way, Detroit City recently went under after a century of federalism
> in the US, so it will not surprise anybody to see Lango or Acholi education
> authority fail. But the buck ends there until they pull their socks, i.e
> train teachers, improve pay and working condition etc. Without which, the
> teachers will all migrate to the neighbouring state which offers them what
> Lango or Acholi does not.
>
>
> I am tired of the same old argument that Ugandans are too raw to understand
> this so called transformation process. Kenyans, did it so did Ethiopians, so
> why can't Ugandan?
>
>
>
> Akim.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Mr Akim Odong,
>
> I will give you a reasoned explanation later, but Mulindwa's simplistic
> explanation probably bears a lot of truth. A bad teacher will still be a bad
> teacher under whatever system-federal or unitary. The key then is to put in
> place institutions that can train a good teacher and create conditions that
> allow, encourage and empower good teaching. The same institutions can work
> under whichever political arrangement or dispensation - the difference will
> lie in the implementation, the oversight of the implementation and
> accountability. This calls for a wholesale change in attitude- a cultural
> revolution of sorts. The mentality of Ugandans has to change for any
> meaningful transformational process to even begin. Instead of federalism, I
> would call for national democratic change in Uganda- here I am delving into
> the concepts of new democracy, democracy which actually transfer genuine
> political freedom of choice to the people, but we need to sufficiently
> enlighten our people to make that choice.This is a stage by stage process
> which as Aliga argues, mandates us to get our priorities right. Because you
> can take control of Lango Education Authority and transfer it to the
> control of Lango Federal Government but it will still be the same thing.
> and do the same things. Why, because cultural transformational processes
> can not be done by administrative fiat.
>
>
>
>
>
> George Okello
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:52 PM, akim odong <akimodong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mr Okello George,
>
>
> What are those priorities you talk about? Better you spell them out. I am
> glad that you don't rule out federalsim completely like you friend Mr
> Mulindwa; I do however take umbrage on your vilifying Mde Betty Kamya. So
> what if she was with M7 or Byesigye? If anything she needs to be accorded
> some ecolade for rejecting to walk with the dictator and she has not done a
> Rurwangarwanga U turn around.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr Okello, if you're afraid of develop your region, remember no unitary
> government is going to do it for you! I don't know which part of the country
> you emanate from but i bet my bottom dollar that it is in need, not only of
> urgent development but of you George to fight its corner.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Akim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM, George Okello <opallog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mr Akim Odong is very naive, I must say. He seems to think federalism
> is Uganda's eureka moment. This is just blatant day-dreaming. The problems
> of Uganda are much more complex than that. His guru, Betty Kamya, was quite
> happy to serve in the system until it kicked her out. That is when she
> discovered her eureka moment. Federalism or not is actually a minor detail
> of the transformation process we need in Uganda. I would not waste too much
> time on it. We need to get our priorities right.
>
>
>
>
>
> George Okello
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Aliga Charles <charly3850@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> EM,
>
>
> When are you going to stand as President so that I prepare my vote. That is
> what I have been thinking about.
>
>
>
>
> From: mulindwa@look.ca
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> CC: Ugandacom@yahoogroups.com; ugandanet@kym.net; onoba@hotmail.com
>
> Subject: RE: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 04:37:23 -0500
>
>
>
>
>
> Aliga Charles
>
>
>
> By the way both systems need a basic infrastructure to survive, but I can
> add that Unitary needs only basic infrastructure when Federalism needs a
> more well-crafted infrastructure to survive. Ugandans have not built those
> infrastructures that is why Unitary is failing and that is why Federalism is
> a non-starter. What you need in Uganda today is to build a structure where
> unitary or Federalism can function. And by the way Uganda is today, damaged
> as it is today, I would go for the Iddi Amin structure of provinces, I would
> throw in provinces exactly as Iddi Amin did, but empower the governors to
> own and run the accounts of the provinces. So I would allow to a degree of
> independence to a governor to invest and secure money for his province. If a
> province want to export things abroad I would allow them to get a
> representation to where ever market they target, and would allow them to
> directly work with the embassies abroad to push the agenda of their
> provinces.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I would end the existence of Uganda Police. Then turn around and put the
> safety of the people out of internal affairs to local government, and then
> throw it to the Governors. So a governor would be responsible to hire and
> run Police Officers. I would leave Military police intact, but use it to
> train police Officers too, so those hired by the province would show up to
> the military Police for training and go back to serve the province, but the
> province would pay for that training. The province would be responsible for
> the uniforms vehicles promotion demotion and salary of Police officers. And
> then we call it a Central Province Police services where Kale Kayihura
> directly reports to the Kampala Mayor for instruction. I would dissolve
> Police headquarters and all lands of Police handed over to the governors of
> the respective provinces. I would hand them the hospitals and prisons same
> way, so would taxation powers. Governors and District commissioners would be
> elected through political party's every 5 years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I need to know who is with me and today 8am Toronto time latest.
> Geez !!!!!!!
>
>
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
>
>
>
>
> "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
>
>
>
>
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aliga Charles
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:13 AM
> To: uganda forum
> Subject: RE: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
>
>
>
>
> Akim,
>
>
>
>
>
> You wrote, "........ for me its federalism or nothing!". The only word you
> forgot was "Period", to crown it up. Othewise, by making such statment(s),
> you are not far from the leader of UFP, who, in 1980 declared war against
> ugandans to the level of topling an elected government. It was either UPM in
> power or none. Ugandans suffering, still continue to suffer because from
> such kind of statment(s). Such kind of attitude will not unite the country
> and people instead, will divide it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If you remember, 1979 war against Idi Amin, ugandan started with division
> among them. While all were under the UNLA/F umbrella, some like M7 had
> different interest. They created forces within a force (UNLA) like FRONANSA,
> SUM and many others. There were those against the return of former President
> RIP Obote who, in his capacity as a ugandans, had all the God given rights
> to return to Uganda. It was the same ugandans who created such kind of
> divison which later helped M7 to come to power. The same I feel, Federalist
> are gearing toward. If you are not carefull, unscrupulous politician(s) will
> come, hide behind Federalism and destabilise the country again.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> After 1980 election, those with ill-motives, jumped to rebellion, the
> result, we all see today.Yet, the main mouner, failed to secure even one
> vote in his own constituency. When you begin to say either Federalism or
> nothing, you are sending warning that, should ugandans reject you choice,
> you will force federalism on their throat isn't it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At the moment, uganda need a good government that can create strong
> institutios, build the country. The problem of uganda is not unitary system
> but selfish politicians. We need a leader who can show to ugandans that,
> corruption is evil, we can live without it and still live a good life, build
> our country, send our children to schoo, as well as have a decent home.
> Federaism now is diversionary.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:56:15 +0000
> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
> From: akimodong@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Mr Nkata;
>
>
>
>
>
> Somebody has to speak some truth for once. I hope you will take in digest
> and pass it on. Time waits for no one, this is the time to leave one's mark
> and for me its federalism or nothing!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Greetings!
>
>
>
>
>
> Akim
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 10:10 AM, william nkata <williamnkata@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> Akim, Akim, Akim lakini Akim
>
>
> Why are you telling the Truth ?I mean the way to peace, stability and
> harmony where we would focus on owners & indegeneous partake in doing
> bussiness with others without partanalistc, vague and corrupt involvement
> from those with limited LOVE & CARE from far!!!
>
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> Ya kweri, Asanti sana Mze Akim!!.
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>
> From: akim odong <akimodong@gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 11 November 2013, 8:24
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
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> Mulindwa;
>
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>
> I'am glad you did not compare Canada to Nigeria for that matter!.
>
>
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>
>
> I don't agree that we should wait until Uganda develops to the level of
> pre-federal Canada or USA to establish federalism. This is akin to
> suggesting to the new nation of Southern Sudan in their quest for rail
> network; to build steam engine then graduate to diesel trains and finally
> electric train in order to establish a working rail network. I' am saying,
> go straight from the cart to maglev trains because that is where the rest of
> the world is!.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Secondly, the Rwakitura regime does not allow freedom of speech or political
> engagement by the masses, so how in God's name will we achieve that level of
> political freedom? On the other hand, you as an individual in Canada,
> you're enjoying the fruit of federalism yet cannot demand the same for your
> nationals in their own habitat; how civilised is that? To suggest that we're
> too uncivilised to self govern is false; an attempt on your part, to portray
> Ugandans as backward while ignoring the fact that its the leadership that is
> backward and holding the nation back through intimidation and the rule of
> the gun.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Because you are still too uncivilized to even self-govern.
>
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>
>
>
> Mr Mulindwa, prior to Colonialism, we managed our own affairs and nations
> like the Acholi had evolved beyond unitary monarchy; every clan had their
> king and yes! we were still united at wars with other tribes like the
> Banyoro or even inter clan wars saw clan coalescing against another etc.
> This is proof that federalism was practised in Acholi way before the notion
> of reached Buganda who had succumbed to the mighty Kabaka. The Acholi
> clearly objected to a lone figures to dictating demands like the current
> unitary form with M7 being "chief everything" despite his incompetence. So
> the Acholi demand to return to federalism began pre-independence, that is
> why we insist that federalism is not "the Buganda issue" but the "Uganda
> Issue"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mr Mulindwa, you have clearly failed to convince me why we should continue
> with the status quo. The argument that we should first wait until we achieve
> certain milestone in economic and socio-politics is floored. The scruffy
> constitution that we currently have, is enough universal guide to start
> from. The failure to give federalism a chance is clear indication that the
> current leadership wants to continue with the subjection and leeching,
> stealing resources from other areas to benefit their own. This is the only
> reason why M7 still wants to rule over the biologicals substances and others
> and that is what you Mulindwa, a critical thinker is aiding and abating.
>
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> Those in Ottawa have such a massive retirement package that no Canadian can
> access, they retire earlier than anyone in any other sector. Why can they do
> all that? Because they hold on power and are accountable to no body.
>
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> I say, this is for the Canadians to deal with. If they are happy with the
> situation they will sit and do nothing!
>
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> Akim
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>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
> wrote:
>
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> Akim Odongo
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>
>
> Canada is a Federal state, but before it became a Federal state, an Ontarian
> never defined a Quebecor as a biological substance, Nova Scotia's never
> camped those in New Brunswick, Albertans were not defining British
> Columbians as dirty and have jiggers. What happened in Canada is that all
> these jurisdictions lived under their individual identifications and
> respected each other. If an Ontarian murdered a Quebecor he was arrested and
> if an Albertan murdered an Ontarian he was arrested. When you look at
> provinces like Ontario and Quebec and Alberta they invested into their
> regions way before getting Federalism. What I am explaining here is that if
> Federalism has changed anything in this massive land, it has piled up so
> much power into Ottawa than in Toronto for example, and that Ottawa which is
> not accountable to any one is sucking money out of us. The money we send to
> Ottawa as Ontarians is more than half of what we get out of the Ottawa
> congromolete and we have no right to even question. Those in Ottawa have
> such a massive retirement package that no Canadian can access, they retire
> earlier than anyone in any other sector. Why can they do all that? Because
> they hold on power and are accountable to no body.
>
>
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> Mr Mulindwa give one reason; rather subjection and leeching, that Uganda
> should remain unitary.
>
>
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>
> Because you are still too uncivilized to even self-govern.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
>
>
>
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
>
>
>
>
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of akim odong
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:14 PM
>
>
>
>
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
>
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> Mr Mulindwa;
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> Equally, i once attended a Kiganda kwanjula where my nephew decided to join
> hands in marriage with a beautiful Kiganda girl. I learnt so much as i was
> surprised how much value is put on certain things. That said, we are all
> different and it was a mistake that the one who conquered us decided to hole
> us in the same pot, that is why we need to reverse things.
>
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> I find it rather insulting of you to say, No we are not going to hand
> Federalism to Northerners as if M7 has finished us completely. No! he
> hasn't and could never; we will demand for federalism relentlessly. I can
> assure you it will not take us 50+ years like it has others, much less!
>
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> Mr Mulindwa give one reason; rather subjection and leeching, that Uganda
> should remain unitary. The Baganda want out because they want to be subjects
> to their Kabaka. We the Acholi want out because we want to develop our land
> and enjoy our autonomy and not subject to any king or life president. Our
> way of life is far more important than the national donor baked cake.
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> Akim
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> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
> wrote:
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> Akim Odong
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> Ssalongo Ssenoga has been very consistent that the problem we have in Uganda
> was built on the way Africa was demarcated, you see those that demarcated it
> never cared on what tribe goes where and what language goes where. And I
> have tried so much to educate him that all people need services and safety
> the same way. A Langi needs food for his kids as a Mugwere so if you put
> Bagwere and Langis in a same house they can do all their cultural respect
> but at the end of the day they end up on the same dining table. I lost a
> Langi kid in this city and we buried him in this city, we pulled his father
> from home and came here. At his arrival we took him to a funeral home where
> his son was and he paid the respect he had to. But at the death of that kid
> I leant a great deal about the Langi culture that I never knew. We had an
> old man from home and a couple of Langis that were in town who joined him,
> and I got specific instructions of how the process was to take place. There
> were times we were to leave him with the only very close people, there was a
> way he had to be dressed, there was a type of suit he had to be put in and
> many many things I never knew about. But when all had been done, we all
> joined up in what unified us, we had to bury the kid and we all gathered and
> bury him in great respect. The problem Ssenoga has is that he is stuck into
> a revolving door of the functions we held to this funeral than the one that
> combined all of us which is the burial of this kid. That is the fundamental
> change we need as Ugandans, to focus on what combines us altogether. Life
> peace safety food educating our children and good hospitals. Every human
> being needs those. But I add that Ssalongo Ssenoga actually forgets that
> whites never built Buganda but Baganda, they got Baganda Banabuddu Batooro
> and combined them all together to build Buganda, half of Buddu was Tanzania
> for crying out loud. Why is it a crime for whites to combine us but not a
> crime for Buganda to combine us? Better yet did the whites build Buganda to
> cause the split off of Banyala and Baluuri?
>
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> No we are not going to hand Federalism to Northerners for that will build a
> war between Langis and Acholis and Baluri are going to fight too. Ugandans
> are asking for Federalism not for it is a good governance system but because
> they want to use it as a vehicle to access the national cake.
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> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
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> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of akim odong
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> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
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> That is chicken and egg monkey business! If after twenty 28 years M7 has
> failed to deliver on democracy and peace what of us campaigning without even
> a spear at hand? So, we will not let anything including fear detract us from
> our demand for federalism. Time to turn the table on its head, which means,
> Federalism first and the rest will follow. Mr Mulindwa, you see Ugandans
> have tried everything, coups, gorilla warfare etc except federalism. Its
> only a person, short of a complete brain to continue repeating the same
> order. The fear of losing influence and the desire to subject others under
> one's authority while leeching them, is what is holding Ugandans from
> embracing federalism.
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> Again Mr Mulindwa, its of no use to compare Uganda to Nigeria. Much as given
> the chance, every Ugandan student would migrate to Nigeria, if MUK can't get
> the lecturers over there; i believe the two countries are different in many
> ways and also federalism as a system of governance would have been adopted
> at different times, for different purposes with different results. So
> Nigeria's experience, could never be used to mirror Uganda in a few years to
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> Let me suggest that, we should work hard for a softer landing rather than a
> crash landing, because federalism is airborne and heading to Uganda like a
> meteorite. It's been christened, "meteorite fede"!.
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> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
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> Federalism does not build democracy, it is the crown of democracy. If
> Federalism built democracy, Nigeria would have been the most democratic
> state in Africa yet it is not. You are so low on the democratic scale that
> are even campaigning on peace.
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> Akim peace is a fundamental right sir.
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> On the 49th
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> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
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> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of akim odong
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> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:52 AM
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> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
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> Whatever policies the two parties campaigned on did not matter very much to
> the indigenous Acholi who after all those years of trauma, wanted peace and
> anything was better than M7 and his party. With all the intimidation they
> still rejected him and voted for FDC who had promised peace and most
> importantly, an alternative to M7 and his cohorts. So, whatever policy M7
> preached was not going to work because he was not going to deliver anyway.
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> On the other hand, FDC promised peace and end the hatred of Acholi by M7,
> they also promised to rebuild Acholi and replenish their livestock that was
> ferried south day and night, to Rwakitura and other generals farms at the
> height of the intimidation. This did not materialise and as such, the Acholi
> decided to teach FDC a lesson and the next time round voted for NRM, Onek
> being the first etc. This of course, emboldened M7 who, with the mixed use
> of bribery, rigging, voter intimidation and withholding basic services and
> donor money, not to mention taxes collected from Acholi, forced the Acholi
> to vote NRM. So, suffice to say that the elections results in Acholi was not
> based on policies as such but survival instinct and rejecting the unwritten
> policy of intimidation, murder and denial of basic rights, by the movement.
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> Mr Mulindwa, this duo/duel bulls.. by the two protagonist, is going to end
> very soon because Acholi have realised that none of the parties is upto the
> jobs, and that its up to them and they alone, to determine their destiny,
> development and maisha. That is not to suggest that Acholi is calling for
> autonomy but some form of devolution which will see that Acholi and or with
> neighbours, form a state managed not from Rwakitura or Entebbe, but north of
> Karuma bridge. We believe everybody or region deserves the right to
> determine, how services are delivered in their region, how their culture is
> preserved and how they want to be administered. Federalism offers that
> alternative and the leading voice of Federalism in Uganda presently, is UFA;
> with its simple message on federalism through referendum.
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> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <mulindwa@look.ca>
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> KItgum House and Opoka house are not built due to Federalism, let us not be
> that naive. But I need you to clarify to me the difference Acholis saw
> between The Movement policy and FDC policy to elect FDC. For clarification,
> w have two parties in Acholi land preaching policy, The Movement is
> preaching policy and FDC is preaching policy. What policy did The movement
> campaign on to make The Acholis elect them, and what policy did FDC preach
> to Acholis to elect them?
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> I prefer starting with critical thinking !!!!!
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> EM
> On the 49th
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> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
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> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of akim odong
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> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:24 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
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> Mr Aliga;
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> In Acholi today there're more NRM MPs like never before. Voted or not its
> immaterial, the fact remain that they are the ones serving the constituency
> and it was incumbent on the Achioli to speak out if they feel their votes
> were rigged or miscounted. Do not forget that at the height of M7's
> intimidation and torture of Acholi, the Acholi rejected him overwhelmingly
> by voting for FDC. The north was FDC territory!.
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> Mr Aliga, i am sure that Acholi turned to the deadbeat party (NRM) because
> FDC did not deliver despite heroic efforts of the likes of Okumu Reagan. One
> consolation i have is that come 2016 and onwards, Acholi will find their
> home in UFA, with federalism (loc ken) taking roots in Acholi and hopefully
> through this choice, the Acholi will spearhead and grant the Baganda what
> they could not achieve on their own in fifty years.
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> Mr Aliga, my request to you is to start thinking in a federated manner,
> because that name "Aliga" comes from somewhere in Uganda and its only people
> with such name who can develop the area where such appellation originates,
> you cannot leave it to the Tumusime, Musoke or Rwakisomething to come and do
> it for you. Federalism, therefore, offers such a life line. Just look how
> proud the Baganda are of their region not withholding the fact that its
> people from other regions who are stupid enough to build houses and
> businesses in Buganda including Kampala (Kitgum House, Opoka house), thus
> contributing to the glitter. While decrying the state of affairs in their
> region. How musiro can that be!
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> Sleep over this and when you wake up, rise up a federal and join the
> (loc-ken) movement, for the name Aliga should be synonymous with the success
> of its origin and not a by word of a settler in Buganda, like the name Okero
> has become!
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> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Aliga Charles <charly3850@hotmail.com>
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> Do you seriously believe that those people voted NRM?????? Since when was
> NRM/A genuinelly voted into government?
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> CC: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> From: raj62ali@gmail.com
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> Subject: Re: {UAH} ROADS IN ACHOLI LAND: WHO IS TO BLAME? MPS OR M7?
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> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:24:42 +0000
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
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> Abeewo musajja waffe Okello Oryem!
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> On 8 Nov 2013, at 07:27, akim odong <akimodong@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hannah;
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> I think the Acholi are to blame for voting for NRM the deadwood party
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> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Hannah Ogwapiti
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> We have Acholi Parliamentary Group (APG) and each one were given 50m by
> government outside their swollen pay to develop their constituencies. As a
> team these mps collectively would have at least tarmac 7centimeters of road
> in Acholiland and asked government that please top up our efforts. But
> instead they tarmac their oesophagus or call it alimentary canal?
> Ujoneeeee.This is Pader road in Acholiland same country, different regions.
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> 2.this is Pader road between Kilak Corner and Ladinge Center.This is
> fundamental change in 27 years, compare this road to roads in Western
> Uganda, cry my beloved people cry, they will never treat you like human
> beings. Have you seen Kabale Kisoro Road?
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> are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
> servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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> *A positive mind is a courageous mind, without doubts and fears, using the
> experience and wisdom to give the best of him/herself.
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> We must dare invent the future!
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> The only way of limiting the usurpation of power by
> individuals, the military or otherwise, is to put the people in charge -
> Capt. Thomas. Sankara {RIP} '1949-1987
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